That said, I'm not sure if new certifications are still being accepted. So there may have been uncertified Dogme95-compliant films made since that was never been in the official list.
jedimastert 12 hours ago [-]
I feel like people are reading this as "this is how the under signers think all movies should be made, and we are judging movies not made this way as a moral failing", when I think a better reading would be "as directors/film makers/story tellers, this is how we think we can maximize our own creativity and joy when we make movies".
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jedimastert 11 hours ago [-]
So this is my art degree coming out, but I feel like invoking the name of Dogma 95 and the "vow of chastity" without what appears to be any of the original people involved or blessing feels a little lame, especially when the actual rules are pretty different from the original. At least, I don't see any indication of like a real personal connection to the original.
I feel like they probably should have come up with a different name and just noted the connection in the manifesto
hau 13 hours ago [-]
>The film must be shot where the narrative takes place.
This one really stands out by exculding whole genres and not really adding anything interesting to work around.
irdc 12 hours ago [-]
Which genres would that be?
One could also argue that certain genres simply won't ever work as an arthouse movie.
RobotToaster 12 hours ago [-]
> Which genres would that be?
Space opera, high fantasy and bangsian fantasy are three that come to mind.
irdc 12 hours ago [-]
I could see bangsian fantasy work if the afterlife were to be located on earth (which opens up some narrative possibilities, though they're a bit unoriginal). The other two are predicated upon portraying their locations inauthentically, which conflicts with the rules Dogme 25 strives to follow.
coldtea 12 hours ago [-]
Exluding them is for the better... we got more than enough
brazzy 12 hours ago [-]
I don't think it's meant as a constraint to be worked around, but as a guardrail against being inauthentic.
And it excludes a lot less than its inspiration Dogme 95, which has as one rule "Genre movies are not acceptable."
pjc50 12 hours ago [-]
> "Genre movies are not acceptable."
I find that hilarious, like proclaiming that only other people have an ethnicity or an accent. Because of course Dogme is a genre of its own.
wl 11 hours ago [-]
Perhaps Dogme 95/Dogma 25 films are in a genre of their own, but they're not "genre movies." People make the same argument with "literary fiction"/"non-genre fiction" vs "genre fiction." The terms have meaning whether or not you want to acknowledge it.
brookst 11 hours ago [-]
Dogme is more of a methodology than genre. Genre usually means settings and tropes, like scifi or horror or superhero.
Though I’d argue that rom-com, period pieces, and biopics also are “genre”, at least to the extent a particular movie just paints by numbers within those styles.
aetherspawn 12 hours ago [-]
It kind of protects against low budget sci-fi I guess, which could be a net good thing.
Under the rules you could attempt to shoot Resident Alien, but not Star Trek.
irdc 12 hours ago [-]
I'm thinking you could shoot an awesome sci-fi thriller under these rules. Even one that includes space travel. Just don't have any of the narrative take place in space: have only one character off-planet and have them communicate via radio.
jmusall 12 hours ago [-]
I've seen good, low-budget indie sci-fi short films that would presumably meet all of the Dogma 25 rules. So I think it doesn't protect against this category of films and neither would that be a good thing anyways. It just requires creative solutions if you want to e.g. portrait space travel.
dfxm12 12 hours ago [-]
That's ok. The goal is not for every film to fit into this criteria.
viccis 12 hours ago [-]
Makes sense because it's similar to one of the ones from Dogme95 which explicitly excluded genre files.
RobotToaster 12 hours ago [-]
I wonder if they would accept a CGI movie entirely set within a computer, nothing in the rules seem to prohibit it :).
Hnrobert42 13 hours ago [-]
What is happening? What is the difference between Dogma and Dogme? What is this site about?
jffry 12 hours ago [-]
"dogme" is the Danish, Norwegian, and French spelling of the word "dogma"
I maybe shouldn't judge their ideas about film by their choice of illegible background and text colors, but I do.
maelito 13 hours ago [-]
My eyes are bleeding reading this CSS
bdcravens 12 hours ago [-]
The same way that HN puts tags like [video] or [pdf] in titles, they should have something like [eyestab] for a site like that. I was so not ready for that visual assault.
leshenka 12 hours ago [-]
I believe red and black theme is an artistic choice. Sadly, readability suffers from this choice. Just making the text bold makes it a lot better while preserving its spirit.
orangebread 12 hours ago [-]
My brain is bleeding after reading this strange ass manifesto.
artyom 13 hours ago [-]
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ramon156 13 hours ago [-]
There is a lot of good cinema out there, it's just not at your fingertips. I too have become too lazy to look further than my nose's length.
artyom 25 minutes ago [-]
Same as with the "good internet". It's still out there, only under layers and layers of mediocre and/or terrible stuff nobody has the time to go through.
AlecSchueler 12 hours ago [-]
There's even some good stuff in the big cinemas. Barbie was excellent for example.
mnewme 13 hours ago [-]
There is great cinema today, sadly a lot of great movies lack proper distribution. Go to film festivals, the quality of movies is only increasing
jamal-kumar 13 hours ago [-]
Lars Von Trier is objectively good cinema
artyom 26 minutes ago [-]
Agreed.
Also Lars Von Trier is objectively not involved in this (only in Dogma 95, which this is "based on").
falcor84 12 hours ago [-]
I suppose that's not what you meant, but I love the idea of "Lars Von Trier" as a persona being good cinema.
At the very least, it made me understand that I need him to appear as himself in the next Death Stranding game.
detritus 12 hours ago [-]
egh, as much as I enjoyed his Dogme 95 fayre when I was young and far more self-important, I find his later 'big cinema' output turgid twaddle.
Melancholia was just about bareable but from Mandalay onwards I could barely struggle through to the end of his flicks.
Nymphomaniac made me almost literally angry at its denouement. Just.. shit.
0gs 12 hours ago [-]
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whywhywhywhy 12 hours ago [-]
Who would have thought an auteur would be a fully formed and flawed person where flaws may be as extreme as their talent.
It’s almost as if creativity is connected to emotions, ideology and experience or something.
0gs 12 hours ago [-]
everyone, i think. doesn't mean auteurs have to make movies glorifying their flaws without a trace of introspection for 20+ years.
leopld 12 hours ago [-]
Name a movie that’s your reference of good cinema
artyom 28 minutes ago [-]
Inland Empire
rs_rs_rs_rs_rs 12 hours ago [-]
Pretentious, pompous trash.
mayukh 12 hours ago [-]
Nothing like rules for spurring creativity. Waiting for the manual next.
jedimastert 12 hours ago [-]
> Nothing like rules for spurring creativity.
I feel like it's pretty well known in creative spaces that constraints breed creativity.
coldtea 12 hours ago [-]
Creative after creative and artist after artist has said pretty much that constraints and limitations indeed spur creatitivy...
smcl 12 hours ago [-]
Deliberately imposing constraints on yourself is actually a very well-established way to spur creativity and innovation. For example this movement was inspired by something similar from back in the 1990s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogme_95
Also: how many films are still produced in line with Dogma 95?
https://web.archive.org/web/20250215082603/http://www.dogme9...
I feel like they probably should have come up with a different name and just noted the connection in the manifesto
This one really stands out by exculding whole genres and not really adding anything interesting to work around.
One could also argue that certain genres simply won't ever work as an arthouse movie.
Space opera, high fantasy and bangsian fantasy are three that come to mind.
And it excludes a lot less than its inspiration Dogme 95, which has as one rule "Genre movies are not acceptable."
I find that hilarious, like proclaiming that only other people have an ethnicity or an accent. Because of course Dogme is a genre of its own.
Though I’d argue that rom-com, period pieces, and biopics also are “genre”, at least to the extent a particular movie just paints by numbers within those styles.
Under the rules you could attempt to shoot Resident Alien, but not Star Trek.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dogme
Also Lars Von Trier is objectively not involved in this (only in Dogma 95, which this is "based on").
At the very least, it made me understand that I need him to appear as himself in the next Death Stranding game.
Melancholia was just about bareable but from Mandalay onwards I could barely struggle through to the end of his flicks.
Nymphomaniac made me almost literally angry at its denouement. Just.. shit.
It’s almost as if creativity is connected to emotions, ideology and experience or something.
I feel like it's pretty well known in creative spaces that constraints breed creativity.